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--- Would You Cure a Profitable Disease?
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:00:17 GMT, "Beav" >"Pete" >news:bo5pc3$186rc5$1@ID-149365.news.uni-berlin.de... >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:55:34 GMT, "Beav" >> >> >"Pete" >> >news:bo1il7$16ism3$1@ID-149365.news.uni-berlin.de... >> >> On 1 Nov 2003 13:36:20 -0800, VFXBBMOIQUEK@SpamMotel.com >> >> (*~*WiseWords - WiseWords4Diabetics) wrote: >> [snip] >> >> When a young Doctor discovered that stomach ulcers were the >> >> result of Bactria and that this Bacteria can be passed >> >> mother to child [female carriers] and that the treatment was >> >> simple non invasive and a guranteed 100% cure for the life >> >> of the sufferer AND that family members could be screened >> >> and 'cured' long before symptoms were evident...........well >> >> he got shit upon by the large institutions controling one of >> >> the most lucrative and prolific medications in the world. >> >That'd be Doctor Marshal then wouldn't it Pete? The guy who discovered >> >Helicobacter pylori, which, according to the "exerpts" was something that >> >couldn't possibly be true as no bugs could live in the human gut? I >thought >> >that was a stupid thing to say when I read it in Readers Digest DONKEYS >> >years ago. So stupid, it's stuck in my head ever since. >> I have no idea what his name is :-( but the discovery was an >> accident initially. IRC there were some samples left in a >> fridge overnigh and there was a power failure. They were >> about to throw the cultures away when he realised that >> nothing should have been growing. >> >I believe that Dr Marshal upped sticks and moved to Australia where he >> >wasn't met with QUITE so much resisitance, although they didn't welcome >him >> >with open arms. >> sound like the same bloke to me. The TV prog showed a home >> vid he took of himself taking doses of the bug to give >> himself ulcers, then taking the 'cure'. this was shot whilst >> he was in Aus. >That's the guy. He was lambasted for using himself as a guinea pig too, but >he didn't have much choice. Well he got my attention. Put his money where his mouth was. >> >> The laughable thing is that the truth was that in the UK >> >> treatment before 1950's was the treatment now used. The >> >> medical world were treating stomach ulcers with Bizmuth >> >> cause it worked. Although they were not 100% aware of the >> >> 'mechanics'. They stopped using it when the Medical world >> >> jumped on the technology train of discovery post WWII. >> >> The doctor who discovered the bacteria fought for ten years >> >> to get the medical world to listen even though the proof was >> >> irrefuteable. He also showed that the 'bug' was being passed >> >> from 'infected' patients to non infected patients via >> >> endoscopes which were not sterilised to a sufficient >> >> standard because it was assumed that bacteria could not >> >> survive in the stomach anyway. >> >> The doctor eventually got employment in the US where his >> >> treatment was sanctioned. >> >After he'd spent a considerable amount of time in Oz. (If it's the same >> >bloke) >> I believe so. >> >> In the UK when this tale of woe was shown on national TV >> >> 'expose' an American man was a few hours from surgery which >> >> would result in him having a large section of his stomach >> >> removed because of repeated ulceration. He heard about the >> >> treatment being offered at the other hospital and insisted >> >> on trying it first with surgery as a last resort. Six weeks >> >> later he was interviewed drinking Red Wine and well into >> >> recovery with no prospect of a repeat of his problems. >> >> Now the treatment is commonplace. >> >> All the money saved on non - essential surgery and useless >> >> medications saved, not to mention the savings made by lost >> >> working...........someone somewhere is always making money >> >> on the backs of those in misery. I wish upon those lower >> >> life specimens all the misery they creat for others. >> >And they never fucking get it!!!! Bastards. >> >Beav >> I am not into conspriracy - but there are other things like >> this going on everyday. Not hidden - just not in the publics >> face. I have heard that some medical centers try to steer >> diabetics away from testing [OTU etc] because of the cost. >Which is faintly ridiculous when you think about it. If they tested and DID >something with the results, the cost later on would be far less, but of >course, no government would spend now to save a future government money >later on. Which is the root cause of so many problems. Just ask any politician what their view of anything is concerning something say...ten years hence. All you get is a load of waffle and issue avoidance. >> If so, then this is due to policy being made openly higher >> up the purse string ladder. >It's all about money, every last policy decision. >Beav Yup Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:55:34 GMT, "Beav" > >That'd be Doctor Marshal then wouldn't it Pete? The guy who discovered >Helicobacter pylori, which, according to the "exerpts" was something that >couldn't possibly be true as no bugs could live in the human gut? I thought >that was a stupid thing to say when I read it in Readers Digest DONKEYS >years ago. So stupid, it's stuck in my head ever since. > >I believe that Dr Marshal upped sticks and moved to Australia where he >wasn't met with QUITE so much resisitance, although they didn't welcome him >with open arms. Fascinating what you learn here as an ancillary. I've just completed the special drug cocktail a month ago that was developed for "Helicobacter pylori". Until the doc diagnosed it, I'd never heard of it. I'll know if it worked next visit. I didn't know what was causing the gut cramps and spasms. They seem to have gone, so it appears to have worked. Obviously, I should have asked here first :-) Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
"Alan" news:3rfcqvkfpe4errdi9bcegj6hmr943jgbp2@4ax.com... > On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:55:34 GMT, "Beav" > > > > > >That'd be Doctor Marshal then wouldn't it Pete? The guy who discovered > >Helicobacter pylori, which, according to the "exerpts" was something that > >couldn't possibly be true as no bugs could live in the human gut? I thought > >that was a stupid thing to say when I read it in Readers Digest DONKEYS > >years ago. So stupid, it's stuck in my head ever since. > > > >I believe that Dr Marshal upped sticks and moved to Australia where he > >wasn't met with QUITE so much resisitance, although they didn't welcome him > >with open arms. > > Fascinating what you learn here as an ancillary. I've just completed > the special drug cocktail a month ago that was developed for > "Helicobacter pylori". Until the doc diagnosed it, I'd never heard of > it. > I'll know if it worked next visit. I didn't know what was causing the > gut cramps and spasms. They seem to have gone, so it appears to have > worked. Obviously, I should have asked here first :-) Or done what I did and read an ancient copy of Readers Digest while sitting in the quacks waiting room:-) If he'd been up to speed on his subscription, I'd probably never have heard about it either, but the mags in his waiting room were as old as Methusela:-) Beav
It is hard to tell from the given information who promising INGAP really is. But my thoughts are, if the protein/treatment was very promising, surely other companies would pick it up. If not from the nobel desire to cure diabetes, at least from the prospect of earning money. Perhaps Lilly wont or cant cure diabetes and earn money at the same time, but other companies could. Even if INGAP do increase beta cell mass, the type-1 autoimmune problem is not stopped, and INGAP would be needed for lifetime. And if another company did not have a license on hand, they could still research on INGAP. You are not required to have license while you research on a subject, only when you enter market. The overall point of the original post is of course valid, but I do believe you could earn money from any cure - and with the growing scale if diabetes, it is definately being pusued. - Thomas "*~*WiseWords - WiseWords4Diabetics" message news:1e34062c.0311011336.5b3f4373@posting.google.com... > There is an article in Diabetes Interview magazine, > (along with a link for a free issue.) > The highlights are as follows: > > In 1997, Lilly licensed INGAP, a protein discovered by Dr. Aaron Vinik > of Eastern Virginia Medical School, which was deemed to have potential > as a cure for both type 1 and type 2. INGAP causes the regeneration of > beta cells in the pancreas and has the potential to be a truly > innovative treatment for diabetes. > > Early clinical tests carried out by Lilly were quite successful. Vinik > reports that animal studies showed a 30 to 40 percent reversal rate of > diabetes. > > "It is really the first opportunity to change the biology of > diabetes," he says. "INGAP wakes up sleeping pancreases." > > In 1999, however, Lilly dropped INGAP from its portfolio. According to > Vinik, it was not the science that the people at Lilly lost interest > in. > > "They said, 'We love the science, but we don't think that it is a good > business model,'" he recalls. > ... > Lilly does not deny these claims. > > > Lilly,...generates $2.29 billion a year in revenue from its line of > diabetes products... > > Dr. John Holcombe, medical adviser for Lilly research laboratories, > admits that Lilly is not actively seeking cures for diabetes... > But he rejects the notions that...Lilly does not want a cure to be > found. > > ...Lilly's numbers are available on its Web site. And these numbers > indicate that they do take in a lot of money from diabetes products: > > Humulin insulins: $1 billion a year > Humalog insulin analog: $834.2 million a year > Actos: $391.7 million a year > ----------------------------------------------- > > Lilly keeps us alive. > The emphasis is on the word "keeps," > with no let-up desired. > > Write your congressmen or legislators to pass laws forcing > research for INGAP. > > The entire 3-page article is at: > http://www.diabetesworld.com/issue/9001,1,1003,1.html
"*~*WiseWords - WiseWords4Diabetics" message news:1e34062c.0311011336.5b3f4373@posting.google.com... > There is an article in Diabetes Interview magazine, > (along with a link for a free issue.) > The highlights are as follows: > > In 1997, Lilly licensed INGAP, a protein discovered by Dr. Aaron Vinik > of Eastern Virginia Medical School, which was deemed to have potential > as a cure for both type 1 and type 2. INGAP causes the regeneration of > beta cells in the pancreas and has the potential to be a truly > innovative treatment for diabetes. > > Early clinical tests carried out by Lilly were quite successful. Vinik > reports that animal studies showed a 30 to 40 percent reversal rate of > diabetes. > > "It is really the first opportunity to change the biology of > diabetes," he says. "INGAP wakes up sleeping pancreases." > > In 1999, however, Lilly dropped INGAP from its portfolio. According to > Vinik, it was not the science that the people at Lilly lost interest > in. > > "They said, 'We love the science, but we don't think that it is a good > business model,'" he recalls. > ... > Lilly does not deny these claims. > > > Lilly,...generates $2.29 billion a year in revenue from its line of > diabetes products... > > Dr. John Holcombe, medical adviser for Lilly research laboratories, > admits that Lilly is not actively seeking cures for diabetes... > But he rejects the notions that...Lilly does not want a cure to be > found. > > ...Lilly's numbers are available on its Web site. And these numbers > indicate that they do take in a lot of money from diabetes products: > > Humulin insulins: $1 billion a year > Humalog insulin analog: $834.2 million a year > Actos: $391.7 million a year > ----------------------------------------------- > > Lilly keeps us alive. > The emphasis is on the word "keeps," > with no let-up desired. > > Write your congressmen or legislators to pass laws forcing > research for INGAP. > > The entire 3-page article is at: > http://www.diabetesworld.com/issue/9001,1,1003,1.html If they did make a cure for diabetes, Roche Diagnostics would sue them, just think of those lost meter sales :-) Start « Previous 1 2 3 Related Discussion: Depression derails diabetics' self-care (3 posts) Prayer Web Site (1 posts) People And Pets Succeed In Fighting Obesity And Diabetes (1 posts) Gastric bypass urged for very obese diabetics (1 posts) Top Discussions From Our Archives Clinical trial of LymphoStat B for RA WOW! I HAVE FOUND THE BEST WAY TO SAVE ON MY PRESCRIPTION MEDS Other Discussion Categories Diabetes Symptoms Health Care Policy Oops!!! Unexpected Error While Reading the Feed
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