---

Would You Cure a Profitable Disease?


Would You Cure a Profitable Disease? -- Posted by *~*WiseWords - WiseWords4Diabetics on 11-01-03 13:36


There is an article in Diabetes Interview magazine,
(along with a link for a free issue.)
The highlights are as follows:

In 1997, Lilly licensed INGAP, a protein discovered by Dr. Aaron Vinik
of Eastern Virginia Medical School, which was deemed to have potential
as a cure for both type 1 and type 2. INGAP causes the regeneration of
beta cells in the pancreas and has the potential to be a truly
innovative treatment for diabetes.

Early clinical tests carried out by Lilly were quite successful. Vinik
reports that animal studies showed a 30 to 40 percent reversal rate of
diabetes.

"It is really the first opportunity to change the biology of
diabetes," he says. "INGAP wakes up sleeping pancreases."

In 1999, however, Lilly dropped INGAP from its portfolio. According to
Vinik, it was not the science that the people at Lilly lost interest
in.

"They said, 'We love the science, but we don't think that it is a good
business model,'" he recalls.
...
Lilly does not deny these claims.


Lilly,...generates $2.29 billion a year in revenue from its line of
diabetes products...

Dr. John Holcombe, medical adviser for Lilly research laboratories,
admits that Lilly is not actively seeking cures for diabetes...
But he rejects the notions that...Lilly does not want a cure to be
found.

...Lilly's numbers are available on its Web site. And these numbers
indicate that they do take in a lot of money from diabetes products:

Humulin insulins: $1 billion a year
Humalog insulin analog: $834.2 million a year
Actos: $391.7 million a year
-----------------------------------------------

Lilly keeps us alive.
The emphasis is on the word "keeps,"
with no let-up desired.

Write your congressmen or legislators to pass laws forcing
research for INGAP.

The entire 3-page article is at:
http://www.diabetesworld.com/issue/9001,1,1003,1.html


Re: Would You Cure a Profitable Disease? -- Posted by Pete on 11-01-03 08:34


On 1 Nov 2003 13:36:20 -0800, VFXBBMOIQUEK@SpamMotel.com
(*~*WiseWords - WiseWords4Diabetics) wrote:

>There is an article in Diabetes Interview magazine,
>(along with a link for a free issue.)
>The highlights are as follows:
>
>In 1997, Lilly licensed INGAP, a protein discovered by Dr. Aaron Vinik

>of Eastern Virginia Medical School, which was deemed to have potential
>as a cure for both type 1 and type 2. INGAP causes the regeneration of
>beta cells in the pancreas and has the potential to be a truly
>innovative treatment for diabetes.
>
>Early clinical tests carried out by Lilly were quite successful. Vinik

>reports that animal studies showed a 30 to 40 percent reversal rate of
>diabetes.
>
>"It is really the first opportunity to change the biology of

>diabetes," he says. "INGAP wakes up sleeping pancreases."
>
>In 1999, however, Lilly dropped INGAP from its portfolio. According to

>Vinik, it was not the science that the people at Lilly lost interest
>in.
>
>"They said, 'We love the science, but we don't think that it is a good

>business model,'" he recalls.
>...
>Lilly does not deny these claims.
>
>

>Lilly,...generates $2.29 billion a year in revenue from its line of
>diabetes products...
>
>Dr. John Holcombe, medical adviser for Lilly research laboratories,

>admits that Lilly is not actively seeking cures for diabetes...
>But he rejects the notions that...Lilly does not want a cure to be
>found.
>
>...Lilly's numbers are available on its Web site. And these numbers

>indicate that they do take in a lot of money from diabetes products:
>
>Humulin insulins: $1 billion a year

>Humalog insulin analog: $834.2 million a year
>Actos: $391.7 million a year
>-----------------------------------------------
>
>Lilly keeps us alive.

>The emphasis is on the word "keeps,"
>with no let-up desired.
>
>Write your congressmen or legislators to pass laws forcing

>research for INGAP.
>
>The entire 3-page article is at:

>http://www.diabetesworld.com/issue/9001,1,1003,1.html

The concept of not curing a profitable desease is not new.
It has been going on for most of my life - and yours I will
wager.

When a young Doctor discovered that stomach ulcers were the
result of Bactria and that this Bacteria can be passed
mother to child [female carriers] and that the treatment was
simple non invasive and a guranteed 100% cure for the life
of the sufferer AND that family members could be screened
and 'cured' long before symptoms were evident...........well
he got shit upon by the large institutions controling one of
the most lucrative and prolific medications in the world.

The laughable thing is that the truth was that in the UK
treatment before 1950's was the treatment now used. The
medical world were treating stomach ulcers with Bizmuth
cause it worked. Although they were not 100% aware of the
'mechanics'. They stopped using it when the Medical world
jumped on the technology train of discovery post WWII.

The doctor who discovered the bacteria fought for ten years
to get the medical world to listen even though the proof was
irrefuteable. He also showed that the 'bug' was being passed
from 'infected' patients to non infected patients via
endoscopes which were not sterilised to a sufficient
standard because it was assumed that bacteria could not
survive in the stomach anyway.

The doctor eventually got employment in the US where his
treatment was sanctioned.

In the UK when this tale of woe was shown on national TV
'expose' an American man was a few hours from surgery which
would result in him having a large section of his stomach
removed because of repeated ulceration. He heard about the
treatment being offered at the other hospital and insisted
on trying it first with surgery as a last resort. Six weeks
later he was interviewed drinking Red Wine and well into
recovery with no prospect of a repeat of his problems.

Now the treatment is commonplace.

All the money saved on non - essential surgery and useless
medications saved, not to mention the savings made by lost
working...........someone somewhere is always making money
on the backs of those in misery. I wish upon those lower
life specimens all the misery they creat for others.

Rant off

Pete

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved.
To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com


Re: Would You Cure a Profitable Disease? -- Posted by K'neH'a'Iw on 11-01-03 19:03




Pete wrote:


>
> The concept of not curing a profitable desease is not new.
> It has been going on for most of my life - and yours I will
> wager.

> All the money saved on non - essential surgery and useless
> medications saved, not to mention the savings made by lost
> working...........someone somewhere is always making money
> on the backs of those in misery. I wish upon those lower
> life specimens all the misery they creat for others.

The problem with all of these conspiracy theories is that
all is takes is one powerful group to decide it's not in
their interest to go along.

In this case your asking people to believe that the evil all
powerful drug companies would go along with the blood
thirsty surgeons and forgo profits from a cure, in order to
allow the surgeons to make a profit, and have all of the
thousands of people involved keep the secret.

Far more likely that people simply didn't believe the answer
was that simple, because they had been taught by experts in
the field that it was more complicated.

People aren't that smart or that organized.

Think restricting carbohydrates, for a current example.

--
K'neH'a'Iw

Uncloaking, Shields up.


Re: Would You Cure a Profitable Disease? -- Posted by Pete on 11-01-03 13:26


On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 21:03:14 -0600, K'neH'a'Iw
wrote:

>Pete wrote:

>> The concept of not curing a profitable desease is not new.
>> It has been going on for most of my life - and yours I will
>> wager.

>> All the money saved on non - essential surgery and useless
>> medications saved, not to mention the savings made by lost
>> working...........someone somewhere is always making money
>> on the backs of those in misery. I wish upon those lower
>> life specimens all the misery they creat for others.

>The problem with all of these conspiracy theories is that
>all is takes is one powerful group to decide it's not in
>their interest to go along.

Yeh well......this is not a conspiracy theory it is a known
fact. The whole thing was exposed years ago on National TV.
You must have missed the part where I said that.

>In this case your asking people to believe that the evil all
>powerful drug companies would go along with the blood
>thirsty surgeons and forgo profits from a cure, in order to
>allow the surgeons to make a profit, and have all of the
>thousands of people involved keep the secret.

No I am not saying that at all. I said that the medical
world *believed - because of the lack of evidence to the
contrary* that bacteria could not survive in the stomach.
The cause of stomach ulcers was put down to excess acid -
which 'might' be caused by a number of things including
stress etc. They did not understand that the excess acid was
a natural body function in an attempt to get rid of the
bacteria. The drug companies and others decried and fought
against the findings.

>Far more likely that people simply didn't believe the answer
>was that simple, because they had been taught by experts in
>the field that it was more complicated.

Yes probably, see above.

>People aren't that smart or that organized.
>Think restricting carbohydrates, for a current example.


Pete
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved.
To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com


Re: Would You Cure a Profitable Disease? -- Posted by Wes Groleau on 11-01-03 19:42


K'neH'a'Iw wrote:
> Far more likely that people simply didn't believe the answer was that
> simple, because they had been taught by experts in the field that it was
> more complicated.
>
> People aren't that smart or that organized.
>
> Think restricting carbohydrates, for a current example.

Good point. "Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupdity."

But whether by malice or stupidity, the important
thing is EITHER WAY people's health is needlessly
sacrificed.

--
Wes Groleau
"Would the prodigal have gone home if
the elder brother was running the farm?"
-- James Jordan


Re: Would You Cure a Profitable Disease? -- Posted by K'neH'a'Iw on 11-02-03 16:24




Wes Groleau wrote:
> K'neH'a'Iw wrote:
>
>
> Good point. "Never attribute to malice that which
> can be adequately explained by stupdity."

I have use that as a Sig line.
>
> But whether by malice or stupidity, the important
> thing is EITHER WAY people's health is needlessly
> sacrificed.
>

I couldn't agree more.

--
K'neH'a'Iw

Uncloaking, Shields up.

1 2 3 Next »

Related Discussion:

Depression derails diabetics' self-care (3 posts)
by Gumbo - Last post on: 10-29-04 13:49
Depression derails diabetics' self-care Sep 14 (Reuters Health) - People with diabetes who are depressed are less likely to watch what they eat, to exercise, and to take their medications, researchers report. "Major depression is common among diabetes patients, affecting more than one in ei... (Read More)

Prayer Web Site (1 posts)
by Jerry Pople - Last post on: 10-01-03 11:31
There is a new prayer website at http://www.theprayerfactory.com . It is free and non-denominational, meaning it's not affiliated with any religion. You can have prayer said for yourself or for a friend or loved one. It's completely anonymous. Check it out! Jerry ... (Read More)

People And Pets Succeed In Fighting Obesity And Diabetes (1 posts)
by Gumbo - Last post on: 12-17-04 19:13
People And Pets Succeed In Fighting Obesity And Diabetes The P-Pet Study demonstrates that people and their pets are both more successful in staying with a weight loss program when they exercise together. Results of the first-ever, 12-month combined people and pet weight management st... (Read More)

Gastric bypass urged for very obese diabetics (1 posts)
by Gumbo - Last post on: 11-09-04 17:55
Gastric bypass urged for very obese diabetics Oct 23 (Reuters Health) - Stomach bypass surgery should become 'standard treatment' for morbidly obese patients with type 2 diabetes, researchers recommend, because the majority achieve excellent glucose control following the procedure. In the A... (Read More)



Top Discussions From Our Archives

Where can I sell

TAHITIAN NONI Juice

Clinical trial of LymphoStat B for RA

WOW! I HAVE FOUND THE BEST WAY TO SAVE ON MY PRESCRIPTION MEDS



Other Discussion Categories

Diabetes Symptoms
Health Care Policy

Oops!!! Unexpected Error While Reading the Feed



Click here



 
 
 
  
 

Home | Discussion Archives |