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Type II and Blood pressure question


Type II and Blood pressure question -- Posted by jamesbath@bellsouth.net on 04-12-04 07:48

I have noticed a correlation between my wife's blood sugar and her blood
pressure. I want to know if anyone else has observed the following
phenomena. The first thing I do every morning is take her blood pressure.
Then I read her glucose level. I've noticed over many months of checking
that when her blood pressure is high, at around 160 systolic, her glucose
level is low in the mid 80's and sometimes high 70's. At this point, I give
her an Ensure which has 19 GM of sugar. Minutes later her BP drops 20
points as her glucose goes up to around 100. I mentioned this to her last
young doctor, and she made light of it, saying that there could be no such
correlation. But I've seen it happen enough to know there is.

Has anyone experienced this sort of thing?

--

James H. Bath
http://www.geocities.com/jimbath1/

Love is a gift; a gift you can only have by giving it away.





Re: Type II and Blood pressure question -- Posted by LadySycamore on 04-12-04 15:22

jamesbath@bellsouth.net wrote:

> I have noticed a correlation between my wife's blood sugar and her blood
> pressure. I want to know if anyone else has observed the following
> phenomena. The first thing I do every morning is take her blood pressure.
> Then I read her glucose level. I've noticed over many months of checking
> that when her blood pressure is high, at around 160 systolic, her glucose
> level is low in the mid 80's and sometimes high 70's. At this point, I give
> her an Ensure which has 19 GM of sugar. Minutes later her BP drops 20
> points as her glucose goes up to around 100. I mentioned this to her last
> young doctor, and she made light of it, saying that there could be no such
> correlation. But I've seen it happen enough to know there is.
>
> Has anyone experienced this sort of thing?
>

Can't say that I have, but I haven't been keeping such a close eye on my
pressure and glucose (at the same time). My pressure tends to go up or
down according to how much I am dialyzing (I'm on peritoneal dialysis),
so I am probably not a good example of this.

However, do some research (if you can) online, and if you find anything,
print it out (or take good notes) and then show it to your doctor. I
hate it when doctors don't want to even consider the possibilities of
certain things.

Good luck.

--
~LadySycamore~
Co-Administrator
dialyze.org: For renal patients by renal patients
http://dialyze.org/forums/index.php

El Ciberbosque:
"Sycamore's next step in the quest for world domination"
http://www.ciberbosque.org/index.php



Re: Type II and Blood pressure question -- Posted by jamesbath@bellsouth.net on 04-12-04 17:23

Thanks for the reply. I'll keep snooping. And I wish you the best of luck
with your continued health progress.

--

James H. Bath
http://www.geocities.com/jimbath1/

Love is a gift; a gift you can only have by giving it away.



"LadySycamore" wrote in message
news:oEEec.5093$l75.1054@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> jamesbath@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> > I have noticed a correlation between my wife's blood sugar and her blood
> > pressure. I want to know if anyone else has observed the following
> > phenomena. The first thing I do every morning is take her blood
pressure.
> > Then I read her glucose level. I've noticed over many months of
checking
> > that when her blood pressure is high, at around 160 systolic, her
glucose
> > level is low in the mid 80's and sometimes high 70's. At this point, I
give
> > her an Ensure which has 19 GM of sugar. Minutes later her BP drops 20
> > points as her glucose goes up to around 100. I mentioned this to her
last
> > young doctor, and she made light of it, saying that there could be no
such
> > correlation. But I've seen it happen enough to know there is.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced this sort of thing?
> >
>
> Can't say that I have, but I haven't been keeping such a close eye on my
> pressure and glucose (at the same time). My pressure tends to go up or
> down according to how much I am dialyzing (I'm on peritoneal dialysis),
> so I am probably not a good example of this.
>
> However, do some research (if you can) online, and if you find anything,
> print it out (or take good notes) and then show it to your doctor. I
> hate it when doctors don't want to even consider the possibilities of
> certain things.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
> ~LadySycamore~
> Co-Administrator
> dialyze.org: For renal patients by renal patients
> http://dialyze.org/forums/index.php
>
> El Ciberbosque:
> "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world domination"
> http://www.ciberbosque.org/index.php
>
>



Re: Type II and Blood pressure question -- Posted by cledus on 04-13-04 20:50

Your observations are opposite to what I would expect. Blood is thicker
when the bg is high. It is much thinner when bg is low. So my expectation
would be that blood pressure would be higher with high bg because the
thickness is greater. Not an expert opinion - just a personal theory.

On the other hand, I have noticed that my wife gets very pale when her bg is
low. This may indicate that blood pressure is too low. Again, just a
theory - not an informed, expert opinion.

Anyway, I believe that it is reasonable that one might observe a
relationship between blood pressure and bg levels.

wrote in message
news:3mGec.18767$951.11829@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Thanks for the reply. I'll keep snooping. And I wish you the best of
luck
> with your continued health progress.
>
> --
>
> James H. Bath
> http://www.geocities.com/jimbath1/
>
> Love is a gift; a gift you can only have by giving it away.
>
>
>
> "LadySycamore" wrote in message
> news:oEEec.5093$l75.1054@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > jamesbath@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> > > I have noticed a correlation between my wife's blood sugar and her
blood
> > > pressure. I want to know if anyone else has observed the following
> > > phenomena. The first thing I do every morning is take her blood
> pressure.
> > > Then I read her glucose level. I've noticed over many months of
> checking
> > > that when her blood pressure is high, at around 160 systolic, her
> glucose
> > > level is low in the mid 80's and sometimes high 70's. At this point,
I
> give
> > > her an Ensure which has 19 GM of sugar. Minutes later her BP drops 20
> > > points as her glucose goes up to around 100. I mentioned this to her
> last
> > > young doctor, and she made light of it, saying that there could be no
> such
> > > correlation. But I've seen it happen enough to know there is.
> > >
> > > Has anyone experienced this sort of thing?
> > >
> >
> > Can't say that I have, but I haven't been keeping such a close eye on my
> > pressure and glucose (at the same time). My pressure tends to go up or
> > down according to how much I am dialyzing (I'm on peritoneal dialysis),
> > so I am probably not a good example of this.
> >
> > However, do some research (if you can) online, and if you find anything,
> > print it out (or take good notes) and then show it to your doctor. I
> > hate it when doctors don't want to even consider the possibilities of
> > certain things.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > --
> > ~LadySycamore~
> > Co-Administrator
> > dialyze.org: For renal patients by renal patients
> > http://dialyze.org/forums/index.php
> >
> > El Ciberbosque:
> > "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world domination"
> > http://www.ciberbosque.org/index.php
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Type II and Blood pressure question -- Posted by jamesbath@bellsouth.net on 04-14-04 07:54

One theory I've come up with to account for the blood pressure going up as
the glucose goes down is this: her body is demanding an elevated amount of
glucose and other nutrients in order to fuel the healing process going on in
her feet. She has pressure wounds in her heels (ulcerations) which she
contracted in the hospital some months back. I read somewhere that the body
requires 50 to 100 times the normal blood flow through a wound site, in
order to get the materials to the site for rebuilding the tissue and to take
away the waste products such as carbon dioxide and dead cells. Obviously,
with such a stepped-up bio-manufacturing process underway, glucose as fuel
will be needed in much greater than normal supplies.

And here's the rub, if you will. If there is not enough glucose per volume
of blood, the wound site is going to be crying for more blood. In other
words, if the blood is well saturated with the nutrients the wound needs,
then the blood flow through the area can be at a slower (less pressurized)
pace than if the blood is deficient of the needed chemicals, in which case a
lot of blood would have to pass through, in the same amount of time, to
deliver the same amount of nutrients.


--

James H. Bath
http://www.geocities.com/jimbath1/

Love is a gift; a gift you can only have by giving it away.



"cledus" wrote in message
news:Yx2fc.7617$kl6.3073@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
> Your observations are opposite to what I would expect. Blood is thicker
> when the bg is high. It is much thinner when bg is low. So my
expectation
> would be that blood pressure would be higher with high bg because the
> thickness is greater. Not an expert opinion - just a personal theory.
>
> On the other hand, I have noticed that my wife gets very pale when her bg
is
> low. This may indicate that blood pressure is too low. Again, just a
> theory - not an informed, expert opinion.
>
> Anyway, I believe that it is reasonable that one might observe a
> relationship between blood pressure and bg levels.
>
> wrote in message
> news:3mGec.18767$951.11829@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > Thanks for the reply. I'll keep snooping. And I wish you the best of
> luck
> > with your continued health progress.
> >
> > --
> >
> > James H. Bath
> > http://www.geocities.com/jimbath1/
> >
> > Love is a gift; a gift you can only have by giving it away.
> >
> >
> >
> > "LadySycamore" wrote in message
> > news:oEEec.5093$l75.1054@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > > jamesbath@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have noticed a correlation between my wife's blood sugar and her
> blood
> > > > pressure. I want to know if anyone else has observed the following
> > > > phenomena. The first thing I do every morning is take her blood
> > pressure.
> > > > Then I read her glucose level. I've noticed over many months of
> > checking
> > > > that when her blood pressure is high, at around 160 systolic, her
> > glucose
> > > > level is low in the mid 80's and sometimes high 70's. At this
point,
> I
> > give
> > > > her an Ensure which has 19 GM of sugar. Minutes later her BP drops
20
> > > > points as her glucose goes up to around 100. I mentioned this to
her
> > last
> > > > young doctor, and she made light of it, saying that there could be
no
> > such
> > > > correlation. But I've seen it happen enough to know there is.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone experienced this sort of thing?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Can't say that I have, but I haven't been keeping such a close eye on
my
> > > pressure and glucose (at the same time). My pressure tends to go up or
> > > down according to how much I am dialyzing (I'm on peritoneal
dialysis),
> > > so I am probably not a good example of this.
> > >
> > > However, do some research (if you can) online, and if you find
anything,
> > > print it out (or take good notes) and then show it to your doctor. I
> > > hate it when doctors don't want to even consider the possibilities of
> > > certain things.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~LadySycamore~
> > > Co-Administrator
> > > dialyze.org: For renal patients by renal patients
> > > http://dialyze.org/forums/index.php
> > >
> > > El Ciberbosque:
> > > "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world domination"
> > > http://www.ciberbosque.org/index.php
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>




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