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Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story

Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story -- Posted by andromeda on 09-27-04 06:52

If aging is programmed into our genes, we might just be able to do something
about it, some researchers think.
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/040927_ageprogramfrm.htm

Re: Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story -- Posted by Immortalist on 09-27-04 08:51

"andromeda" wrote in message
news:cWU5d.146880$4h7.24760078@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> If aging is programmed into our genes, we might just be able to do something
> about it, some researchers think.
> http://www.world-science.net/othernews/040927_ageprogramfrm.htm
>

Some think the reverse, that mostly animals were killed before they could live
out their entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain since
these couldn't be selected out by natural selection if the animal didn't live
long enough for the selection.

But yes, genes are like a word processor with the wonderful editing tools called
cut and paste so that the composition has a means to improvement if the
sufficient method is applied either by nature or some other equivalency of
agency.

>
>

Re: Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story -- Posted by Tim on 09-28-04 07:51

"Immortalist" wrote in message
news:oKydnRY8D_c8qsXcRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>
> "andromeda" wrote in message
> news:cWU5d.146880$4h7.24760078@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > If aging is programmed into our genes, we might just be able to do
something
> > about it, some researchers think.
> > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/040927_ageprogramfrm.htm
> >
>
> Some think the reverse, that mostly animals were killed before they could
live
> out their entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain
since
> these couldn't be selected out by natural selection if the animal didn't
live
> long enough for the selection.
>
> But yes, genes are like a word processor with the wonderful editing tools
called
> cut and paste so that the composition has a means to improvement if the
> sufficient method is applied either by nature or some other equivalency of
> agency.
>
>

See what I mean smokee - what you've written here is nonsense.

You said: "...mostly animals were killed before they could live out their
entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain..."

So, according to you, death of animals causes disease and pain; furthermore
an animals life span is apparently different from an animals life span. Is
this your idea of philosophy smokee?

You also go on to compare genes to a word processor and let's not forget the
accolades for c&p. This is telling smokeee; very, very telling.

I know I dis you allot but I promise if you don't write anything of your own
in the future (I know you haven't done too much in the past) and all you do
is C&P I'll leave you alone. The c&p is much easier to take.

Re: Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story -- Posted by Immortalist on 09-28-04 08:13

"Tim" wrote in message
news:r4-dnXSJrboL58TcRVn-og@edaptivity.com...
>
> "Immortalist" wrote in message
> news:oKydnRY8D_c8qsXcRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> >
> > "andromeda" wrote in message
> > news:cWU5d.146880$4h7.24760078@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > > If aging is programmed into our genes, we might just be able to do
> something
> > > about it, some researchers think.
> > > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/040927_ageprogramfrm.htm
> > >
> >
> > Some think the reverse, that mostly animals were killed before they could
> live
> > out their entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain
> since
> > these couldn't be selected out by natural selection if the animal didn't
> live
> > long enough for the selection.
> >
> > But yes, genes are like a word processor with the wonderful editing tools
> called
> > cut and paste so that the composition has a means to improvement if the
> > sufficient method is applied either by nature or some other equivalency of
> > agency.
> >
> >
>
> See what I mean smokee - what you've written here is nonsense.
>
> You said: "...mostly animals were killed before they could live out their
> entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain..."
>
> So, according to you, death of animals causes disease and pain; furthermore
> an animals life span is apparently different from an animals life span. Is
> this your idea of philosophy smokee?
>

You should try and learn what evolutionary theory is about before you step in
with us dude.

Since the animals are not living out their full life spans in exceptionally
hazardous environments, any mutations that could lead to diseases, if they lived
out their entire life span in order for them to be expressed, may not be selected
out. Therefore when the environment changes and the animals live out their entire
lifespans then these disease may happen more often than in species that live out
their entire lifspans without predation.

> You also go on to compare genes to a word processor and let's not forget the
> accolades for c&p. This is telling smokeee; very, very telling.
>

Well in evolutionary theory we talk about mutations. These are similar to cut and
paste in that some genes can be either added or subtracted.

In the future when we talk about evolution I'l try to talk on a more basic level
for you, sorry.

> I know I dis you allot but I promise if you don't write anything of your own
> in the future (I know you haven't done too much in the past) and all you do
> is C&P I'll leave you alone. The c&p is much easier to take.
>

Actually if we tally up what has been said over the last week I have said much
more than you, I don't know what your talking about. Can you show any evidence
for that claim?

Here are your comments

http://tinyurl.com/5ms5c
http://www.cygnal.ca/english/

and here are mine

http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=d1e1c4e27aefddb7&seekm=104pkdkq75t7855%40corp.supernews.com#link1

now subtract all pastes from my comments and then set the remainder next to yours
and you really will look like you havn't said much.

>

Re: Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story -- Posted by Immortalist on 09-28-04 08:28

"Immortalist" wrote in message
news:sr6dne2eieKxHcTcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
>
> "Tim" wrote in message
> news:r4-dnXSJrboL58TcRVn-og@edaptivity.com...
> >
> > "Immortalist" wrote in message
> > news:oKydnRY8D_c8qsXcRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "andromeda" wrote in message
> > > news:cWU5d.146880$4h7.24760078@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > > > If aging is programmed into our genes, we might just be able to do
> > something
> > > > about it, some researchers think.
> > > > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/040927_ageprogramfrm.htm
> > > >
> > >
> > > Some think the reverse, that mostly animals were killed before they could
> > live
> > > out their entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain
> > since
> > > these couldn't be selected out by natural selection if the animal didn't
> > live
> > > long enough for the selection.
> > >
> > > But yes, genes are like a word processor with the wonderful editing tools
> > called
> > > cut and paste so that the composition has a means to improvement if the
> > > sufficient method is applied either by nature or some other equivalency of
> > > agency.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > See what I mean smokee - what you've written here is nonsense.
> >
> > You said: "...mostly animals were killed before they could live out their
> > entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain..."
> >
> > So, according to you, death of animals causes disease and pain; furthermore
> > an animals life span is apparently different from an animals life span. Is
> > this your idea of philosophy smokee?
> >
>
> You should try and learn what evolutionary theory is about before you step in
> with us dude.
>
> Since the animals are not living out their full life spans in exceptionally
> hazardous environments, any mutations that could lead to diseases, if they
lived
> out their entire life span in order for them to be expressed, may not be
selected
> out. Therefore when the environment changes and the animals live out their
entire
> lifespans then these disease may happen more often than in species that live
out
> their entire lifspans without predation.
>
> > You also go on to compare genes to a word processor and let's not forget the
> > accolades for c&p. This is telling smokeee; very, very telling.
> >
>
> Well in evolutionary theory we talk about mutations. These are similar to cut
and
> paste in that some genes can be either added or subtracted.
>
> In the future when we talk about evolution I'l try to talk on a more basic
level
> for you, sorry.
>
> > I know I dis you allot but I promise if you don't write anything of your own
> > in the future (I know you haven't done too much in the past) and all you do
> > is C&P I'll leave you alone. The c&p is much easier to take.
> >
>
> Actually if we tally up what has been said over the last week I have said much
> more than you, I don't know what your talking about. Can you show any evidence
> for that claim?
>
> Here are your comments
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5ms5c
> http://www.cygnal.ca/english/
>
> and here are mine
>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&as_ugroup=alt.philosophy.*&as_uauthors=reanimater_2000%40yahoo.com%20&lr=&hl=en

>
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=d1e1c4e27aefddb7&seekm=104pkdkq75t7855%40corp.supernews.com#link1
>
> now subtract all pastes from my comments and then set the remainder next to
yours
> and you really will look like you havn't said much.
>
> >
>
>

Re: Did we evolve to die? And can we change that?-news story -- Posted by Tim on 09-28-04 10:25

"Immortalist" wrote in message
news:sr6dne2eieKxHcTcRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
>
> "Tim" wrote in message
> news:r4-dnXSJrboL58TcRVn-og@edaptivity.com...
> >
> > "Immortalist" wrote in message
> > news:oKydnRY8D_c8qsXcRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "andromeda" wrote in message
> > > news:cWU5d.146880$4h7.24760078@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > > > If aging is programmed into our genes, we might just be able to do
> > something
> > > > about it, some researchers think.
> > > > http://www.world-science.net/othernews/040927_ageprogramfrm.htm
> > > >
> > >
> > > Some think the reverse, that mostly animals were killed before they
could
> > live
> > > out their entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable
pain
> > since
> > > these couldn't be selected out by natural selection if the animal
didn't
> > live
> > > long enough for the selection.
> > >
> > > But yes, genes are like a word processor with the wonderful editing
tools
> > called
> > > cut and paste so that the composition has a means to improvement if
the
> > > sufficient method is applied either by nature or some other
equivalency of
> > > agency.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > See what I mean smokee - what you've written here is nonsense.
> >
> > You said: "...mostly animals were killed before they could live out
their
> > entire life span and this led to diseases and intractable pain..."
> >
> > So, according to you, death of animals causes disease and pain;
furthermore
> > an animals life span is apparently different from an animals life span.
Is
> > this your idea of philosophy smokee?
> >
>
> You should try and learn what evolutionary theory is about before you step
in
> with us dude.
>
> Since the animals are not living out their full life spans in
exceptionally
> hazardous environments, any mutations that could lead to diseases, if they
lived
> out their entire life span in order for them to be expressed, may not be
selected
> out. Therefore when the environment changes and the animals live out their
entire
> lifespans then these disease may happen more often than in species that
live out
> their entire lifspans without predation.
>
> > You also go on to compare genes to a word processor and let's not forget
the
> > accolades for c&p. This is telling smokeee; very, very telling.
> >
>
> Well in evolutionary theory we talk about mutations. These are similar to
cut and
> paste in that some genes can be either added or subtracted.
>
> In the future when we talk about evolution I'l try to talk on a more basic
level
> for you, sorry.
>
> > I know I dis you allot but I promise if you don't write anything of your
own
> > in the future (I know you haven't done too much in the past) and all you
do
> > is C&P I'll leave you alone. The c&p is much easier to take.
> >
>
> Actually if we tally up what has been said over the last week I have said
much
> more than you, I don't know what your talking about. Can you show any
evidence
> for that claim?

Ahh yes if only quantity equalled quality.

>
> Here are your comments
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5ms5c
> http://www.cygnal.ca/english/
>
> and here are mine
>
>
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=d1e1c4e27aefddb7&seekm=104pkdkq75t7855%40corp.supernews.com#link1
>
> now subtract all pastes from my comments and then set the remainder next
to yours
> and you really will look like you havn't said much.
>
> >
>
>

Then subtract the literate stuff from the illiterate (you'll have to do it
in that order or you'll end up with a negative number).

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