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OT Get ready America


Re: OT Get ready America -- Posted by Deb on 03-04-05 14:32


It would work the same way. A flat 40.00 at 10 percent of a 400 paycheck for
a working man would be a much larger percent of his disposable income than
the 40,000 that 10 percent of 400,000 would be, so it still isn't totally
fair using your measurement of fairness. It still works out to the poor
needing more of his income just to keep a roof over his head and the rich
getting more to save or waste. So flat rate or consumption tax both have
drawbacks but frankly either are better than we have now.



"Tax Man" wrote in message
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> Yes a flat tax would be more fair but a consumption tax would not.

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Re: OT Get ready America -- Posted by BJ on 03-04-05 16:29



"Tax Man" wrote in message
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> Get ready Americans for the biggest screwing in all history. For some time
> I have worried that the consumption tax (national sales tax) to replace
> our income tax idea would take hold. This would be a nightmare for low and
> middle income people. There is more and more talk every day for this. Now
> that old geezer Greenspan is saying it is a good idea. He adds that maybe
> we should also keep the income tax and have both. Since the consumption
> tax would be a rich man's dream, that is probably what we will end up
> with. With a consumption tax, the low and middle income earners would pay
> all of the tax and the rich man would pay even less. Americans had better
> start raising hell with their congressmen and senators now to stop this
> before it gains anymore momentum. The only fair income tax replacement
> would be a flat tax with the standard deduction and the family member
> exemptions and no other deductions or loopholes. Please help spread the
> word.

It is not a flat tax if you make any exemptions. I could support a true
flat tax, but the moment you start making any exemptions you screwed
it up.

BJ



Re: OT Get ready America -- Posted by Tax Man on 03-04-05 18:11




BJ wrote:
> "Tax Man" wrote in message
> news:42279A67.1030707@thelittleman.net...
>
>>Get ready Americans for the biggest screwing in all history. For some time
>>I have worried that the consumption tax (national sales tax) to replace
>>our income tax idea would take hold. This would be a nightmare for low and
>>middle income people. There is more and more talk every day for this. Now
>>that old geezer Greenspan is saying it is a good idea. He adds that maybe
>>we should also keep the income tax and have both. Since the consumption
>>tax would be a rich man's dream, that is probably what we will end up
>>with. With a consumption tax, the low and middle income earners would pay
>>all of the tax and the rich man would pay even less. Americans had better
>>start raising hell with their congressmen and senators now to stop this
>>before it gains anymore momentum. The only fair income tax replacement
>>would be a flat tax with the standard deduction and the family member
>>exemptions and no other deductions or loopholes. Please help spread the
>>word.
>
>
> It is not a flat tax if you make any exemptions. I could support a true
> flat tax, but the moment you start making any exemptions you screwed
> it up.
>
> BJ

If you have a flat tax without a standard deduction and dependent
deductions, the low income family man that barely make it now might as
well give up because there is no way he could make it your way.

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Re: OT Get ready America -- Posted by blash on 03-05-05 05:25


Tax Man says:

<< With a consumption tax, the low and middle income earners would pay all
of the tax and the rich man would pay even less.>>

Does anyone ever notice that these OT political whackos take things out
of context for their own usage and ignore other parts which go against heir
rantings.......
For instance, Tax Man somehow forgot to include the following from the
same article:

" To help relieve the tax burden on low-income Americans, Greenspan said
some exemptions might be in order for those in lower tax brackets."
"Probably the simplest way is to exclude certain items from the tax which
tend to be disproportionately consumed in a lower bracket," he said.
Food, clothing and medicine are some of the common items that are exempted
from state sales taxes.


Re: OT Get ready America -- Posted by Tax Man on 03-05-05 07:33


Yes, Food, clothing and medicine is all the poor man should have.
Everything else should be for the rich man, who by the probably got his
riches by walking all over the poor man.

blash wrote:
> Tax Man says:
>
> << With a consumption tax, the low and middle income earners would pay all
> of the tax and the rich man would pay even less.>>
>
> Does anyone ever notice that these OT political whackos take things out
> of context for their own usage and ignore other parts which go against heir
> rantings.......
> For instance, Tax Man somehow forgot to include the following from the
> same article:
>
> " To help relieve the tax burden on low-income Americans, Greenspan said
> some exemptions might be in order for those in lower tax brackets."
> "Probably the simplest way is to exclude certain items from the tax which
> tend to be disproportionately consumed in a lower bracket," he said.
> Food, clothing and medicine are some of the common items that are exempted
> from state sales taxes.

Yes, Food, clothing and medicine is all the poor man should have.
Everything else should be for the rich man, who by the probably got his
riches by walking all over the poor man.



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Re: OT Get ready America -- Posted by blash on 03-05-05 08:54


Tax Man says:

< riches by walking all over the poor man.>>

...........OR by spending his time working INSTEAD of whining.............


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