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Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance

Re: Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance -- Posted by Szaki on 05-29-05 14:49

I avoid milk a long time now, 5 years? or so. It drives my BG up.
1 up of milk has minimum 13 gr sugar, more they take out, 2%-1%- no-fat
milk, the more sugar is put in.
No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.
Too much for a diabetic.
Goat milk, yogurt is the lowest, 6-7 gr sugar/carb per 1 cup, half what cow
milk has.
JS

"Kev" wrote in message
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> Diabet Med. 2005 Jun;22(6):808-11.
>
> Avoiding milk is associated with a reduced risk of insulin resistance and
> the metabolic syndrome: findings from the British Women's Heart and Health
> Study.
>
> Lawlor DA, Ebrahim S, Timpson N, Davey Smith G.
>
> Department of Social Medicine, University of Bristol, Canynge Hall,
> Bristol,
> UK.
>
> Objective To examine the association of milk consumption with insulin
> resistance and the metabolic syndrome. Methods The association was
> examined
> in 4024 British women aged 60-79 who were randomly selected from primary
> care centres in 23 towns. Results Women who never drank milk had lower
> homeostasis model assessment insulin resistance (HOMA) scores,
> triglyceride
> concentrations and body mass indices, and higher high-density lipoprotein
> (HDL)-cholesterol concentrations, than those who drank milk. The
> age-adjusted odds ratio for the metabolic syndrome comparing non-milk
> drinkers with drinkers was 0.55 (0.33, 0.94), which did not attenuate with
> adjustment for potential confounders. Diabetes was less common in non-milk
> drinkers. Conclusion Individuals who do not drink milk may be protected
> against insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome. However, randomized
> controlled trials are required to establish whether milk avoidance is
> causally associated with these outcomes. Diabet. Med. 22, 808-811 (2005).
>
> PMID: 1591063
>
>

Re: Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance -- Posted by Enrico C on 05-29-05 16:28

On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in

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> No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.

The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per cup.

http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html

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Re: Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance -- Posted by Ozgirl on 05-29-05 16:34

Enrico C wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
> on
> alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition
:
>
>> No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.
>
>
> The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per
cup.
>
> http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html

Non fat milk varies from brand to brand re carb counts.

Re: Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance -- Posted by Enrico C on 05-30-05 04:19

On Mon, 30 May 2005 09:34:32 +1000, Ozgirl wrote in
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alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :

> Enrico C wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
>> on
>> alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition
>:
>>
>>> No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.
>>
>>
>> The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per
> cup.
>>
>> http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html
>
> Non fat milk varies from brand to brand re carb counts.

I would expect that USDA computes an average of the main brands...

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Re: Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance -- Posted by Ozgirl on 05-30-05 05:13

Enrico C wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2005 09:34:32 +1000, Ozgirl wrote in
>

t> on
> alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition
:
>
>> Enrico C wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
>>> on
>>>
alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition
>>:
>>>
>>>> No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.
>>>
>>>
>>> The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per
>> cup.
>>>
>>> http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html
>>
>> Non fat milk varies from brand to brand re carb counts.
>
> I would expect that USDA computes an average of the main
brands...

Whatever, but one important point is that when type 2's are
highly insulin resistant, every gr of carb counts towards
control or not. There was a time when I was highly resistant
when a difference of 5 gr carb made a lot of difference. So
I feel under those circumstances it is preferable to get an
exact carb count i.e.directly off a label of the actual
product you are using. I prefer to be a bit anal and
preserve any remaining beta cells. I also don't think it
coincidence that the anal type 2's I know aren't
"progressing" over the years. I am one who doesn't beleive
that type 2 diabetes has to be progressive. With good care
and adherence to a carb amount per meal that doesn't allow
spiking I feel that type 2 can be halted in it's
progression. So while this debate over a few carbs might
seem insignificant, to those who are proving to themselves
that every carb does count, it is rather more significant.
Having said that, I don't spend all my time thinking about
what to eat, it's like driving, once you know how to do it
it becomes second nature. I barely a give a thought to my
diabetes apart from an odd day of testing here and there and
an annual eye test and endo visit for labs.

Re: Avoid Milk = Avoid Insulin Resistance -- Posted by Szaki on 05-29-05 17:32

"Enrico C" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:49:36 -0700, Szaki wrote in
> on
> alt.health.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med.nutrition :
>
>> No-fat milk has 17-18gr sugar per cup.
>
>
> The USDA data base (Milk, non fat, fluid) says 12g per cup.
>
> http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/1151.html
>
>
>
Go to the store and look it the containers label, smarty!
Milk has to "TASTE GOOD" for kids, so the more fat they take out, other
stuff has to go in, otherwise taste like water.
JS

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