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Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS
Off-topic spam discussion, was Re: Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS -- Posted by Nico Kadel-Garcia on 08-16-05 04:29
"BJ in Texas" wrote in message
news:cR0Me.1219$r54.547@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> The use of the term spam originated for commercial/crossposted/off topic
> posts to usenet newsgroups about 1995.
>
> BJ
That was the Canter&Siegel "Green Card Lottery" spam. Two thieving lawyers
kept sending their ads to fill out forms for legal aliens to apply for visas
throught the Immigration department's green card lottery, by sending their
spam to every Usenet newsgroup in existence. The key to being spam was that
they were bulk, repetitive, and you didn't seem to be able to get any news
without lots of copies of it. There's a small archive about it over at
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/Canter_Siegel/.
I was on the crew that went hunting for them after their first one. They've
senice been disbarred for stealing from their clients (disbarred for the
third time, they kept wandering to new states to get new law licenses.) and
got divorced. At last look Larry was trying to sell his Internet advertising
skills and hiding from his ex-wife's process servers. I know one company in
Boston that gave him an interview, got him to fly up on his own nickel, and
brought him into the offices just so they could point him out to their
technical people and laugh at him.
There were a lot of arguments about exactly how to define spam, lest we
start reporting things like FAQ's that need to be posted regularly (like
FAQ's about different glucometers and insulin pumps), or block the same
question that all newbies ask. "I'm a new diabetic, do I have to go on
insulin?" and that sort of thing.
The definition that works well and covers all the bases is "unsolicited bulk
communications". That covers email and Usenet, and it covers random idiots
who send chain letters or St. Jude blessing messages as well as the stunning
amounts of porn spam and the "MAKE MONEY FAST" pyramid schemes, and for us
in the diabetes groups it covers the "NONI JUICE" spams and "CHROMIUM
PICCOLINATE" pyramid schemes where the new victims of the pyramid schemes
all advertise with the same materials in the same forum with the same
messages.
Detecting, filtering, or blocking messages on the basis of being off-topic
is really hard: Detecting substantially identical messages has turned out
to be surprisingly easy in Usenet, and ISP's have gotten much better at
dumping accounts of insistent spammers lest they lose their NNTP newsfeeds.
They had to: Earthlink learned their lesson the hardway, twice, for refusing
to deal with spam, and so did Netcom and various other companies over time
as they faced serious threats of losing their NNTP connections, having all
their messages to and from their services blocked, and even losing their
network connections altogether on some occasions.
Re: Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS -- Posted by metonymy on 08-01-05 16:11
Steve O'Keefe writes:
> Mack,
>
> Firstly, this is hardly a scam.
>
> Secondly, a message is spam when it is sent indiscriminately. I
> intentionally sent the message to this group as the book deals with
> diabetes as well. I don't see how a message specifically tailored for
> groups of this nature could be considered spam.
It's unsolicited. It's commercial. Thus, it's spam.
Re: Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS -- Posted by Susan on 08-01-05 16:34
x-no-archive: yes
metonymy wrote:
> Steve O'Keefe writes:
>
>
>>Mack,
>>
>>Firstly, this is hardly a scam.
>>
>>Secondly, a message is spam when it is sent indiscriminately. I
>>intentionally sent the message to this group as the book deals with
>>diabetes as well. I don't see how a message specifically tailored for
>>groups of this nature could be considered spam.
>
>
> It's unsolicited. It's commercial. Thus, it's spam.
>
>
It's unsolicited, it's commercial, it's most unwelcome, but it's not spam.
Susan
Re: Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS -- Posted by BJ in Texas on 08-02-05 05:13
Susan wrote:
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|| metonymy wrote:
||| Steve O'Keefe writes:
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|||| Mack,
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|||| Firstly, this is hardly a scam.
||||
|||| Secondly, a message is spam when it is sent
|||| indiscriminately. I intentionally sent the message to this
|||| group as the book deals with diabetes as well. I don't see
|||| how a message specifically tailored for groups of this
|||| nature could be considered spam.
|||
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||| It's unsolicited. It's commercial. Thus, it's spam.
|||
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||
|| It's unsolicited, it's commercial, it's most unwelcome, but
|| it's not spam.
||
|| Susan
spam spam spam,
spam spam spam,
spam spam spam!
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Rule #1: Spammers are stupid. Rule #1.a: Their customers are
stupider.
Re: Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS -- Posted by Cheri on 08-01-05 16:43
I think so too. :-)
--
Cheri
metonymy wrote in message <87d5oxs16c.fsf@newsguy.com>...
>
>It's unsolicited. It's commercial. Thus, it's spam.
>
Re: Excerpt: Gold Coast Diet Serves Hope for MS -- Posted by Vicki Beausoleil on 08-01-05 15:56
Steve O'Keefe wrote:
>
> I have permission from Health Communications to offer an
> excerpt from the "The Gold Coast Cure," a new diet and
> fitness book that began as a program for treating multiple
> sclerosis (MS).
>
> The excerpt explains how fitness trainer Ivy Larson and her
> husband, surgeon Andy Larson, developed The Gold Coast Cure
> after Ivy was diagnosed with MS. Ivy had been reduced to
> near immobility, relying on a catheter to drain her
> bladder. Ivy and Andy built a diet based on Dr. Swank's
> popular program that has been used by MS victims for over
> 20 years. They combined it with a fitness routine tailored
> for those who suffer chronic pain from a variety of
> debilitating diseases. Within a few months, Ivy Larson was
> able to remove her catheter, walk without pain, and resume
> a symptom-free, active life. That was eight years ago.
>
> The Larsons took The Gold Coast Cure to a wellness program
> in New Jersey and repeated the phenomenal results, over and
> over, year after year. With just five weeks of guided
> training, hundreds of participants shed inches from their
> waistlines and hips, reduced their cholesterol levels, and
> in many cases regained mobility that had been presumed lost
> forever. The program is particularly effective for those
> suffering from inflammatory diseases, including asthma,
> allergies, arthritis, fibromyalgia, and osteoporosis as
> well as high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and obesity.
>
> The Larsons finally published their program in book form
> and it is a bestseller at Wal-Mart, Barnes & Noble and
> Amazon. To get an excerpt from The Gold Coast Cure which
> describes how the program was discovered, developed and
> tested, please send mailto:excerpts@authorviews.com with
> the subject line "Send Larson" and I will reply with the
> text -- and *only* the text -- NO file attachments or opt-
> in mailing list jive. Thank you.
Your only other post was to misc.health.diabetes doing exactly the same
thing for another book.
The wording was exactly the same, except the author and whoever it was
that gave you permission has changed.
You're a shill and a spammer.
Vicki
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